tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post3158737350601080591..comments2023-11-16T16:45:02.759+00:00Comments on A Lost Place: Analysis 5.16 The Incident - Part 1AngeloComethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05303083576143373383noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-8593258567849699852009-05-18T15:36:00.000+01:002009-05-18T15:36:00.000+01:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ka7m-pi5GM&fea...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ka7m-pi5GM&feature=related<br /><br />Here is the link to that quote from the writers, from about 40 seconds onwards they explain why some of the 6 went back to 1977. I would say that is the only answer to your question that you will get Achara & AC.....Sun just wasn't part of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-15214577898013465902009-05-18T15:30:00.000+01:002009-05-18T15:30:00.000+01:00I don't know if anyone caught the recap 'Oceanic 6...I don't know if anyone caught the recap 'Oceanic 6 a journey through time' It had interviews with the writers and they said that the reason for the time jump was simply that the conditions of the original flight 815 were not recreated exactly.<br /><br />Pretty lame I think you'll agree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-86310555696607116992009-05-17T08:26:00.000+01:002009-05-17T08:26:00.000+01:00does no one find the fact that Jacob caught a red ...does no one find the fact that Jacob caught a red herring type fish interesting?Burnt Siennahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02557380307955822777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-28069649228468298512009-05-16T17:24:00.000+01:002009-05-16T17:24:00.000+01:00Well, maybe the "Alex" who told Ben to follow Lock...Well, maybe the "Alex" who told Ben to follow Locke wasn't smokie, but Nameless doing his shape shifting trick...Corellianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879839636851698906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-77288925713422803962009-05-16T17:18:00.000+01:002009-05-16T17:18:00.000+01:00What about Richard taking Ben to be healed at the ...What about Richard taking Ben to be healed at the Temple? <br /><br />He already seen Smokie on the Temple, and he told Ben to follow Bad Locke. So, i would say Smokie is kind of in Nameless team.<br /><br />Maybe there's also a good force in the Temple? Or maybe Smokie is neutral?Corellianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879839636851698906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-90320841160900874262009-05-16T11:14:00.000+01:002009-05-16T11:14:00.000+01:00I have to second the Sayid/Nadia/Jacob issues: it ...I have to second the Sayid/Nadia/Jacob issues: it certainly seems to me that Jacob saved Sayid - but also killed Nadia. It's quite a sinister scene and somewhat tars the rest of Jacob's 'good' actions; even if Jacob needed to sacrifice Nadia to indirectly encourage Sayid to return, it's hard to understand this utilitarian, means-justify-ends morality as good when its subjects are human lives. Whether the means justify the ends has been a running question throughout Lost, and it's nice to see the question being posed to Jacob, someone who appears to be the head of what appears to be the good side.<br /><br />Great season finale, my only issue would be that this new Jacob/Nameless battle somewhat trivialises the Linus/Widmore/Hawking battling that's happened before. I'm sure it'll all tie in though.Timhttp://www.last.fm/music/philanthropynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-90531845937573091232009-05-16T10:42:00.000+01:002009-05-16T10:42:00.000+01:00Achara - the explanation for Sun's non-time travel...Achara - the explanation for Sun's non-time travel is still in the wind, so far as I can see. I just hope they got AN explanation and don't just leave it!<br /><br />Benny - Yeah, I did put a 'positive' spin on the Sayid/Nadia scene, but it did occur to me that Jacob doesn't come out of that looking particularly 'good'. . .<br /><br />Garrett - Love the Star Wars comparison! I got the same take; it was a knowing sacrifice for a greater good.<br /><br />It was Roger Workman in the 'Tricia Tanaka van', though. (Said his name on the jumpsuit. And we saw Roger die in the van when Ben released the poison and killed him.)<br /><br />I think Juliet is dead (she had about as good a send-off as any character can ask for!). That Sayid didn't die suggests he's going to survive (why contract the actor to appear in a new season to kill him episode one?). And I think Juliet's death totally sets up the love triangle (Juliet kind of died because of Sawyer's love for Kate - that might make him need to make that become validated to honour the death).<br /><br />Corellian - Jacob, his lists and now Nameless in the mix is knotty mess, for sure. But you're right about Alpert knowing where Jacob is (but don't forget there's been three years since Ben left the Island, and the cabin had been ransacked, suggesting there's a story we don't know - maybe Alpert found out about the Nameless Trickster?)<br /><br />LostONEer - I've yet to psyche myself up for 'part 2', where I'll get into 'the incident', but my gut feeling is: the bomb went off as the electromagnetism kicked in and it probaby suffused the mass explosion and radiation, but left the necessity to vent this discharge (hence the timer and the button and The Swan we know about).<br /><br />Thanks for the comments guys. Always an honour.AngeloComethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303083576143373383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-55874471941826396742009-05-15T23:43:00.000+01:002009-05-15T23:43:00.000+01:00AC- LOSTonerFan here...I have a question to pose t...AC- LOSTonerFan here...I have a question to pose to you. So do you think the incident we've been hearing about all along was the H-Bomb being detonated, or do you think that the incident was just the EM energy pulling all the metallic objects into the shaft? I'm of the opinion that every mention we've heard of the incident refers only to the EM, and that our "key pieces" as you referred to them truly did change the future we already know about by making sure the bomb reached the Swan and went off. I'd love to know what you think about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-12754267033367519532009-05-15T21:33:00.000+01:002009-05-15T21:33:00.000+01:00This is great AC!
'What about you ?' - was just e...This is great AC!<br /><br />'What about you ?' - was just epic!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-18114010065838813542009-05-15T21:32:00.000+01:002009-05-15T21:32:00.000+01:00By the way, i guess you will talk more about that ...By the way, i guess you will talk more about that on your second analysis, but I think it was just brilliant that Locke was dead in fact. <br /><br />I mean, come on, they spent the entire season throwing it at us!! Ben and Richard keep saying everytime that they have never seen anyone come back from the dead. That, when you die, you die. And still, I haven't seen no one that guessed that Locke was really dead and that the new Locke was someone "disguised". <br /><br />And it also perfectly explains the fact that he now knows everything about the Island, and he's overconfident. <br /><br />And, all in all, they've managed to end two seasons in a row with a revelation that Locke was dead. Gotta praise this guys...Corellianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879839636851698906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-17161837297927557602009-05-15T21:29:00.000+01:002009-05-15T21:29:00.000+01:00Ilana says Jacob hasn't been using the Cabin for a...Ilana says Jacob hasn't been using the Cabin for a long time. But how long would that be?<br /><br />Because i mean...Richard knew where Jacob was. He knew he would be in the Statue (by the way, Ben says that Richard came with the lists. So I suppose they were really from Jacob). So, if Jacob has been on the Statue for a long time, Richard would know that. Then why on earth would Ben go to the Cabin? Did he found it on his own, and thought that this is where Jacob would live? Because he was indeed lying about seeing Jacob, but he really believed that Jacob was there. At the end of season 4, Locke says that Jacob told him to move the Island, and Ben go ahead and make it happen. <br /><br />So, if Richard knew Jacob was on the statue, who sent Ben to the cabin?<br /><br />I would guess that Jacob was indeed on the Cabin by the time Ben first took Locke there, and he really asked Locke for help. And that, by the time we started to see good old Cristian there, then Jacob had left and now it was Nameless...Corellianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879839636851698906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-70097738788595695642009-05-15T20:37:00.000+01:002009-05-15T20:37:00.000+01:00When I watched the scene again, it looked like the...When I watched the scene again, it looked like they would have been well past that point in the road when the car came through. Although, the car did take off right after it hit her, so either they were hired or they had something else to hide, hence the hit and run.BennyTNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-84089713456702980062009-05-15T19:45:00.000+01:002009-05-15T19:45:00.000+01:00how simillar was young Kate to Kate? very good cas...how simillar was young Kate to Kate? very good casting!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-1909094535932025112009-05-15T19:43:00.000+01:002009-05-15T19:43:00.000+01:00One last thing I meant to include in my original p...One last thing I meant to include in my original post. If Juliette were to die, I think the love triangle would effectively be dead. Sawyer may have been struggling with his feelings, but he did love Juliette. And if dead, he would undoubtedly feel responsible. If he hadn't looked at Kate, she wouldn't have changed her mind about Jack, and they wouldn't have charged off to help him. So now, every time he looks at Kate, he'll think of how Juliette would still be alive if he hadn't looked. His guilt will doom any relationship he might have with Kate. Jater's everywhere will rejoice.Garetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05055799075771599467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-47163479736995569892009-05-15T19:22:00.000+01:002009-05-15T19:22:00.000+01:00BennyT- I think you're at least partially right. M...BennyT- I think you're at least partially right. Maybe dead-on. Jacob definitely intervened to save Sayid, but did he cause Nadia's death? From what little we know of Jacob, I don't think he caused Nadia's death. Perhaps it was someone Ben ordered to kill Nadia driving that car. Jacob intervened to save Sayid. Or maybe that's what I want to think. We can see how much Jacob can manipulate, but we haven't seen how devious he can be. Maybe it was him...Garetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05055799075771599467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-26359877112880370222009-05-15T19:13:00.000+01:002009-05-15T19:13:00.000+01:00Great job (as usual)! There was so much in this on...Great job (as usual)! There was so much in this one to absorb. Since you're saving "the dark side analysis" for part 2, I'll save my comments about Nameless for that one as well. <br /><br />Wow, Jacob is so much more than i thought he was. I can't help but see the parallels with Christ. (As a Christian, I guess that's to be expected. Perhaps other religions see similarities from their own faiths?) Not only is he a fisherman, but a fisher of men, seeking out and both literally and figuratively 'touching' his Chosen. <br /><br />I have to wonder how far this similarity will extend. In many ways, I found it odd that Jacob didn't lift a finger to defend himself. In many ways, he pushed Ben into action by asking, "What about you?" I don't think he meant it maliciously, but he had to know it would send Ben over the edge. You could argue that he willingly sacrificed himself. If this is the case, will we also see a resurrection? I toyed with the idea of Jacob inhabiting Locke's true body and thus Locke would become the next Jacob, but I think that may be too outlandish. Instead, I think at the series finale, we'll see Jacob smiling and we'll know everything that occurred as he planned it, even Ben stabbing him. Think of it as the Star Wars ending, minus the Force ghosts. <br /><br />I can't remember where I read it, but I read a spoiler that a major character will die by the end of this season. At first, I just knew it would be Juliette. The "quadrangle" or whatever was seeming to settle into 2 couples and I knew they needed to kill someone off to bring that tension back. Of the 4, who is most expendable to the show? Exactly. But then Faraday died. Surely they didn't mean 2 characters would die? And then, watching the Incident, Sayid gets shot and the gang swerves in with the bus to rescue them. At this point, my wife makes a comment about Hurley and "that van" and it clicks in my mind. When Hurley originally found that van in "Tricia Tanaka is Dead," the body in the van was Sayid's! Sayid is in the past, wearing Horace's jumpsuit, he's hurt badly, and he's in a van (or at least, he's near it) in the middle of the jungle. (Crap! I don't want Sayid to die, I think. But then, Angelo did say that he's a likely candidate, with valid reason. Crap!!)<br />But then flash forward to Juliette hanging for her life to Sawyer...(Well, crap, I don't want Juliette to die either! I was right to begin with and Sayid is gonna live) Only, we discover she isn't dead (YAY) but trying to set off the bomb (B00). SO, the only thing we know for sure is that Faraday is dead. Sayid is still a candidate, as well as Juliette. Maybe it Faraday's death was what they meant all along. I for one, think that's how it will work out next season. Sayid has been touched by Jacob, so I believe he still has work to do. He can't die yet, because he'll be needed in the coming war with the Nameless (FYI, I thought of him as Esau, Jacob's brother and rival from the Bible). Also, the bomb didn't detonate on impact and we see Juliette didn't die from her fall. I believe that the bomb was pretty much a dud. Whether too much material had leaked or what, I don't know (perhaps Jacob intervened or fate would not let it occur, just as Micheal couldn't kill good ole Tom with a gun in that alley. what happened, happened.) But Juliette just happened to hit the bomb when the Incident occurred, so it seemed like it went off. So what happens? My guess is that everyone is thrown back into the future (well, to the present...you know what I mean). We already know that when that energy is released, people get thrown about and odd things happen (ie. Desmond, Locke, and Ecko) but the blast doesn't kill them, even if hurled across the jungle. So I think Jack will be able to save Sayid and Juliette, if the island and Jacob don't take care of it first. <br /><br />I'm gonna cut myself off. I could go on and on, but I'll wait to see what you have to say in part 2.Garetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05055799075771599467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-83024783021913968672009-05-15T19:00:00.000+01:002009-05-15T19:00:00.000+01:00Watch the Sayid/Nadia scene again. At first, I th...Watch the Sayid/Nadia scene again. At first, I thought the same thing as you, that he saved Sayid. Then someone pointed out that the reason she was standing there was that she had turned back around to talk to Sayid. Do you think that Jacob maybe indirectly caused Nadia's death? Maybe it was because Jacob knew that was the only possibility of getting him back to the island. He would have never left Nadia to come back, and he wouldn't have hooked up with Illana had he still been with Nadie as well.BennyTNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-62163497472404375862009-05-15T17:48:00.000+01:002009-05-15T17:48:00.000+01:00This is an EXCELLENT write up....great angles and ...This is an EXCELLENT write up....great angles and theories thrown out here and very nicely done in interpreting Jacob. I imagine the part 2 will be a little grim....I really don't think I disagree with you on much here...again, very well written.<br /><br />Do you think there is something to be said about Jacob 'letting' Ben kill him. Is he ready to hand off to an apprentice?? or someone to take his spot, is he confident that will happen?? Let's face it, Jacob could have said "That's not even John Locke you moron..." to ben, instead, we get to see the SELFISH BEN come alive...and it was classic when Jacob said "WHAT ABOUT YOU?"<br /><br />I really think Jacob was proving a point (to the audience...so actually it was the writers)...Ben.."WHAT ABOUT YOU?". Ben a loyal servant, however, was nothing special...and ended up wasting time on "silly" games.<br /><br />So, I have to assume Alpert is a follower of Jacob...and that side 1 is waiting on the beach and will already be at odds with Side 2 (the fake john locke) and the testimony of faith and free will take place up to the end.<br /><br />I also think the THEY'RE coming is in fact the TOUCHED that are stuck in 1977.<br /><br />Question, did Sun get touched by Jacob? Is this possibly why she didn't FLASH Back to 1977?Acharaisthekeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00030529545899739445noreply@blogger.com