tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post430600450762460774..comments2023-11-16T16:45:02.759+00:00Comments on A Lost Place: Redeeming SayidAngeloComethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05303083576143373383noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-90731777836834809152023-11-16T16:45:02.759+00:002023-11-16T16:45:02.759+00:00Most of the major characters are either murderers ...Most of the major characters are either murderers or were guilty of attempted murder.<br /><br />Among the Oceanic survivors - Jack tried to murder Locke. Shannon tried to murder Locke. Charlie murdered Ethan Rom. Sawyer had murdered Frank Dockett, Anthony Cooper and Tom Friendly. Michael had murdered Ana-Lucia and Libby. Kate had murdered her father, Wayne Jensen. Sayid had murdered a fellow soldier, several other people and tried to murder the 12 year-old Ben Linus. Jin tried to murder Michael. Desmond nearly set Charlie up to be killed. Mr. Eko had murdered a good number of people. Ana-Lucia had murdered the guy who had shot her and her unborn child. Locke's lies may have led to Boone's death. He also tried to murder Mikhail Bakunin and did murder Naomi Dorrit.<br /><br />When one think of the murders and attempted murders committed by other major characters, one might as well label that island Murder, Inc.Juanita's Journalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00239203125898839619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-84980631599593924952009-04-05T00:33:00.000+01:002009-04-05T00:33:00.000+01:00Stitch - I feel Sayid, as presented, has kind of d...Stitch - I feel Sayid, as presented, has kind of duped us all into thinking and feeling the same way about him as he feels about himself.<BR/><BR/>He justifies the life he has lead - of torture and murder - as being on that was forced upon him. The way he sees it, and the way it has been presented, was that he was put into situations where he had no choice but to torture and murder.<BR/><BR/>And yet, just a moment's thought allows us to know: Not EVERYONE could do it. Given Sayid's circumstances, other people wouldn't kill.<BR/><BR/>The same way the child Yemi could not kill - and Young Eko stepped up and did it for him. Some people can, some people can't. Some are killers. Some aren't.<BR/><BR/>Sayid IS a killer. It's at the end of the He's Our You episode did he actually acknowledge his true nature, free of all the mitigating circumstances and 'I had no choice' protestations. <BR/><BR/>No one made him step up and kill the chicken. He did it of his own volition. Everything else was the same story dressed up with excuses.AngeloComethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303083576143373383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-53359490533217460532009-04-04T09:32:00.000+01:002009-04-04T09:32:00.000+01:00"Who is to blame for young Ben becoming older Ben,..."Who is to blame for young Ben becoming older Ben, it is sadly young Ben's choices themself."<BR/><BR/>I dunno...I'd say abuse from his father, being shot, and Alpert saying "he'll always be one of us now" (or some such) and wandering off to some mysticism at the Temple had the biggest effect on who he'll turn out to be.Timhttp://last.fm/music/philanthropynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-33726699434370841512009-04-03T23:19:00.000+01:002009-04-03T23:19:00.000+01:00What I find fascinating about the whole young Ben/...What I find fascinating about the whole young Ben/Sayid scenario is that Sayid actually did what young Ben asked him to do. <BR/><BR/>Young Ben asked Sayid to take him to the hostiles and to Richard Alpert in particular in exchange for breaking Sayid out of the cell.<BR/><BR/>This is what young Ben wanted and Sayid, unintentionally, did make it happen.<BR/><BR/>So far Sayid has actually not been shown yet as a cold blooded killer, at worst he has been shown as a vigilante, Dexter style, hunting down the bad guys that he believes were part of the murder of his Nadia.<BR/><BR/>Who is to blame for young Ben becoming older Ben, it is sadly young Ben's choices themself.StitchExp626https://www.blogger.com/profile/01005749840581560955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-2471908801939159022009-03-31T19:26:00.000+01:002009-03-31T19:26:00.000+01:00Achara, big questions for grand concepts that are ...Achara, big questions for grand concepts that are tough to grapple with!<BR/><BR/>I guess my intent here was to dismiss the notion that 'bad' people are condemned. It's the capacity for change that matters. Sawyer was my prime example - being a clear cut case of a murderer redeeming himself through change.<BR/><BR/>The real point is that it is inertia, a standing still, that seals their fate (whether it be Black Smokes, bullets or the stroke of the writer's pen!). The biggest issue for Sayid, I thought, was that his character may have hit a brick wall. Where else does he go once he acknowledges he's a murderer? Become nothing more than a killer? There's only so much drama in that, and audience-empathy, before he will have to go.<BR/><BR/>As such, he has to change. A character's survival on the show, on any show, demands they have a dramatic future.<BR/><BR/>Ben is an interesting case in point, though. He's ostensibly a servant of the Island and yet that service has prompted despicable acts. I guess the interesting questions we must face are this: Is the Island a benevolent entity? Does the will of Jacob lead towards a happy ending? Is it a metaphorical lost paradise? Or is the Island a place God cannot see because it's a dark blight on the Earth?<BR/><BR/>How about THOSE for some big concepts to grapple with!? Any takers?AngeloComethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303083576143373383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466288276801812505.post-26027595305481009612009-03-31T18:28:00.000+01:002009-03-31T18:28:00.000+01:00Nice write up! I like this piece. I have a coupl...Nice write up! I like this piece. I have a couple points though that I'd like your opinion on<BR/><BR/>#1. Let's say the redemption card is being played out. For all intensive purposes I agree with you. However, how does the role Ben have work then within the island. Ben isn't exactly free of Murders. Take aside the Purge and the Freighter explosion...he had two gals at the looking glass murdered...to hide a secret...then was able, upon making a miscalculated move that got Alex killed...summon the monster...who I think now will ultimately be judging Ben as well here pretty soon...anyways...he has been a murderer for quite some time now....does he have the same fate of Eko and (as you wrote here) Sayid? I would hope so....but is there another controlling interest determining a good kill vs a bad kill? I would think so since Ben had been ruling the island for 14 years or so<BR/><BR/>2. If Ben doesn't die...does the Attempt on Ben's life constitute the same guilt as the actuall murder itself? Remember, Jack tried to kill John Locke...John Lived...but assuming Ben lives as well...would Jack be in the same position as Sayid? <BR/><BR/>3. When the Eko scene happened...it was the unrepenting that ultimately ticked SMOKEY off...at least that's how I see it...is it your conclusion as well that if Eko would have said<BR/>"I am sorry for what I have done...and it is you who I ask for forgiveness" that smokey would not have killed Eko?...and that the island then would be able to use him to complete what the island now demanded from him? I guess what I'm asking is what would have been Eko's fate...based on the thought you have laid out here if he would have asked for forgiveness?Acharaisthekeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00030529545899739445noreply@blogger.com